润美or润加

目前某常青藤物理系本科，家庭条件一般就只会学习，毕业之后打算去读工程物理phd。想留在美国但感觉不好拿greencard，润加据说phd两年就能拿枫叶卡很心动，求建议

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• Created: 2022-10-09 17:23:19 UTC
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• Created: 2022-10-09 17:28:41 UTC
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as far as I know some new grads are struggling to find SWE SDE jobs because of the hiring freeze. I personally know some Chinese students who worked two summer internships at Amazon and didn’t get a return offer (because they’re international students)

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• Created: 2022-10-09 17:35:25 UTC
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• Author: nancyapple
• Created: 2022-10-09 18:32:38 UTC
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During/shortly after financial crisis(I assume you are talking about 2008), job market was dim, but visa was easy. My friend was searching for job about that time(Probably 2010/2011) and after she found a job she got h1b without lottery because there were less applicants than the quota; this time, the job market is dim yet the H1B is hard af. While this doesn’t make sense to me at all, like why there are so many applying for Visa when there is hiring freeze, finding a job/getting a Visa become a death spiral many international students can’t escape. Maybe it will get better next year(s), even so engineering physics degree isn’t very competitive in US high tech job market, when you plan for future, always think twice about how you solve this finding a job/getting a visa dilemma, unless you are confident that you can get green card during PhD via EB1A, such cases do exist.

• Author: Dazzling_Swordfish14
• Created: 2022-10-09 17:59:56 UTC
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There are still plenty of high paying jobs outside of FAANGS

• Author: RemoteHoney
• Created: 2022-10-10 01:31:58 UTC
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Those companies will also stop hiring due to FED's interest policy

• Author: Dazzling_Swordfish14
• Created: 2022-10-10 02:05:10 UTC
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Not exactly, like in Canada, many software companies still need programmers.

• Author: RemoteHoney
• Created: 2022-10-10 02:39:20 UTC
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FED will keep raising interest rates until depression occurs and most of companies in North America stop hiring......

Or inflation will not stop

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• Created: 2022-10-09 19:01:26 UTC
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• Author: springeverythingaaa
• Created: 2022-10-09 17:27:52 UTC
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条件一般怎么可能去读本科。应该挺有钱的吧

• Author: ReplacementNo6352
• Created: 2022-10-09 17:30:36 UTC
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学校financial aid+奖学金+当宿管。。。家里真的条件一般，本来想读masters但感觉phd香因为大部分phd programs是fully funded

• Author: springeverythingaaa
• Created: 2022-10-09 17:31:39 UTC
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加拿大thesis master也可以。

PhD你想好了，万一导师不好会很痛苦。

• Author: ReplacementNo6352
• Created: 2022-10-09 17:42:06 UTC
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好的谢谢，你说的对phd是有风险的，时间长，导师找不好还容易翻车。。目前打算phd和masters双申看看结果怎样

• Author: springeverythingaaa
• Created: 2022-10-09 18:04:02 UTC
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不过你可以试试找工作，找到了就先在美国工作一下

• Author: Excellent_World_1202
• Created: 2022-10-09 17:49:03 UTC
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那你家里出资多少？

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• Created: 2022-10-09 17:31:55 UTC
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在乎钱和机会就润美，在乎身份和稳定就润加。

• Author: qqq5678
• Created: 2022-10-09 17:34:12 UTC
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澳洲呢

• Author: ReplacementNo6352
• Created: 2022-10-09 17:36:12 UTC
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没考虑，习惯北美这边文化了感觉能留在这里尽量留在这里。虽然穷但感觉自己学习还行，有点选择空间，所以还是想尽量不去文化不太一样的地方

• Author: Accomplished-Luck680
• Created: 2022-10-09 17:58:02 UTC
• Score: 5
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管你什麼學校 美國綠卡就這政策 去加拿大 拿楓葉卡之後TN簽證來美國上班吧

• Author: Exotic_Novel1512
• Created: 2022-10-09 18:54:22 UTC
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TN 只可以是墨西哥和加拿大的公民才可以申请。永居卡似乎不行。

• Author: Accomplished-Luck680
• Created: 2022-10-09 19:02:51 UTC
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那就在加拿大工作三年 攢點經驗再來美國做senior

• Author: Okie_Muddy_30
• Created: 2022-10-09 20:23:18 UTC
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真去加的话肯定入籍划算，枫叶卡居住不够时间会失效的，但只要多住一年就可以直接入籍。兴人往往都死抱着破猪血护照不入籍😈

• Author: Exotic_Novel1512
• Created: 2022-10-09 20:51:26 UTC
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反正我已经入籍了。

• Author: Okie_Muddy_30
• Created: 2022-10-09 23:48:33 UTC
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你给我回来👿

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• Author: Okie_Muddy_30
• Created: 2022-10-10 01:30:37 UTC
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？你在说什么

• Author: lonesome4hl
• Created: 2022-10-10 10:25:49 UTC
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你很懂幽默

• Author: nancyapple
• Created: 2022-10-09 18:23:57 UTC
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在美国，工物PhD是不是毕业了还是只能找SDE？工物这块工作卡身份应该卡得比较严吧，有些估计绿卡都不太够？慎重。至于加拿大，从来没听说搞工物的润过去，还是慎重。

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• Created: 2022-10-09 18:26:59 UTC
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现在相当后悔学物理……我是搞材料方向的，可能现在也就差不多准备去加拿大读个masters就行了…

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生化环材，狗都不学

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• Created: 2022-10-09 18:40:35 UTC
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物理本科没什么的，硕士博士阶段百花齐放，搞什么CS，machine learning都很多。但是博士继续读工物则要慎重，跳进去容易跳出来难，特别是现在这个内卷时代，留给国际学生和毕业转行的机会越来越少了。

• Author: Exotic_Novel1512
• Created: 2022-10-09 18:55:37 UTC
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生化环材狗都不学

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你可以考虑润德国。听说那边对物理和材料很友好

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生化环材，狗都不学

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我是工物本科，要不要交流一下。

• Author: Okie_Muddy_30
• Created: 2022-10-09 18:41:55 UTC
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美国你要是能毕业前发一点paper蹭到eb2 niw那绿卡可以一试，否则加拿大吧。否则如果找航天之类的工作clearance都过不了

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• Created: 2022-10-09 22:37:49 UTC
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本科学历能走EB2 niw？

• Author: Okie_Muddy_30
• Created: 2022-10-09 23:47:38 UTC
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他不要读phd么？我说phd毕业前

• Author: zabways
• Created: 2022-10-09 19:05:05 UTC
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加拿大适合岁静，美国适合打拼，不想在工作上寻求长进和更多机会的话加拿大好一些，想多挣钱美国好一些

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夸张了，加拿大公民大概率还是抽h1b，出生在中国大陆那绿卡该怎么排还是怎么排

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• Created: 2022-10-09 22:45:11 UTC
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• Author: GTAHarry
• Created: 2022-10-09 22:49:25 UTC
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谁告诉你排期短很多的？出生地中国大陆那无论什么国籍都和中国大陆的一起排

• Author: springeverythingaaa
• Created: 2022-10-10 00:48:09 UTC
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对不起，恁永远是。。。

• Author: RaisinVegetable4765
• Created: 2022-10-09 21:14:08 UTC
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反正都要读phd了，好几年才能读完呢，那就先在美国读，毕业+opt结束之后实在留不下h1b没抽中再润加呗，万一这期间和美国公民或绿卡持有者结婚了呢

• Author: IsaacZedD
• Created: 2022-10-10 05:42:53 UTC
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问题是加拿大读个硕直接就能留下了，要是在美国上完学opt结束之后再考虑去加拿大是不是会更难

• Author: RaisinVegetable4765
• Created: 2022-10-10 08:11:14 UTC
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不了解加拿大的移民政策，博士毕业生润加也不难吧，只要找到工作。如果找不到工作光有身份也够呛啊

• Author: springeverythingaaa
• Created: 2022-10-10 18:57:16 UTC
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移民这种东西不能靠自己推测或者猜想，得有确切的依据才可以。就像看病得先去做检查，不能靠猜测。博士毕业生润加拿大难不难这件事情，每个人情况不同，但是在目前加拿大的移民政策下面，美国的博士毕业生润加拿大的难度，和中国国内的博士毕业生润加拿大的难度，是相同的。

• Author: RaisinVegetable4765
• Created: 2022-10-11 00:15:16 UTC
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对加拿大没兴趣，说个思路而已😒

• Author: springeverythingaaa
• Created: 2022-10-11 00:52:26 UTC
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不是针对你，sub有很多想去加拿大的人，怕他们被不准确的信息误导。

你可能会问我为什么不回复楼主而是在你这一条下面评论，回复楼主只能帮助他一个人，在你这一条下面评论可以帮助到看这个thread的所有人。

• Author: RaisinVegetable4765
• Created: 2022-10-11 00:55:32 UTC
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哪里“不准确”、“误导”了？加拿大难道找到高技术含量工作拿不了工签？？？找不到工作的话光有枫叶卡有什么用，领失业救济金吃福利吗？我也没说博士润加就很容易啊，我说的是到时候如果在加拿大能找到工作先拿工签也一样，找不到工作光有枫叶卡有意义吗？

• Author: springeverythingaaa
• Created: 2022-10-11 01:10:51 UTC
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"只要找到工作"这句话是有误导性的，因为加拿大工作签证对境外申请人需要办lmia，不是下了offer就可以办签证的。lmia的流程类似于美国EB2绿卡，需要雇主证明自己在加拿大招不到人，需要去打招聘广告之类的。lmia一般雇主不会办，因为要求很多。一般就大公司愿意去办，或者有些小公司偷偷摸摸把lmia卖给移民中介。这就是为什么我说美国phd润加拿大和中国phd难度是一样的，因为都算境外申请人。

“加拿大难道找到高技术含量工作拿不了工签“ -- 这不取决于工作的技术含量高不高，取决于雇主愿不愿意帮你办lmia。根据我本人的亲自尝试，现在这个经济形势下，只有amazon愿意从美国直接招人。当然楼主毕业的时候经济形势怎么样，谁都说不准。当然也可以走ict，但是ict的问题在于你得先入职美国的公司，而很多企业要是你没抽到H1B并且OPT只剩一年了就不会要你。所以这是一个挺困难的事情。当然你可能会说楼主藤校怎么可能找不到，答案是真的有可能，你看现在美国经济一片狼藉，大厂全freeze。。。。

“找不到工作的话光有枫叶卡有什么用“ -- 在你有了毕业工签或者枫叶卡的时候，在加拿大工作就不需要办lmia了，因为你已经有工作许可了，找工作的门槛低了很多。

• Author: RaisinVegetable4765
• Created: 2022-10-11 01:13:36 UTC
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哦，这样啊，那你何不第一次回复我就这么说

• Author: springeverythingaaa
• Created: 2022-10-11 01:18:53 UTC
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同样的东西我已经在本sub重复了多次了，我实在不愿意每次都打这么长的一串。。。对不起。以后我写个模板保存下来。

• Author: RaisinVegetable4765
• Created: 2022-10-11 01:24:52 UTC
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言重了，确实是我不了解，说话有误导性了，抱歉(。•ω•。)ノ♡

• Author: Informal-Nebula-4155
• Created: 2022-10-10 12:19:24 UTC
• Score: 3
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ivy本的如果phd毕业走不了eb1拿绿卡，我实话实说，有点失败。再怎么不济，niw占个位总能等到绿卡的。

加拿大走bcpnp读个master，毕业就送枫叶卡，毫无难度，你本科是ivy还是三本都一样。

• Author: GTAHarry
• Created: 2022-10-10 15:30:48 UTC
• Score: 1
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Cornell PhD 走不了EB1还是不少的

• Author: Informal-Nebula-4155
• Created: 2022-10-10 15:52:32 UTC
• Score: 2
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他是ivy本，phd还没读呢。他不是公民/绿卡，家里也不富贵，靠financial aid读ivy，支持need blind policy的也就只有HYP和Dartmouth，国人录取率极低。如果不是学术极其拔尖，根本不可能录进去。除非他日后厌倦了科研路线，不然eb1就是水到渠成的事儿，再怎么次niw排个5、6年也该绿了。

• Author: Used-Tank1989
• Created: 2022-10-10 16:13:21 UTC
• Score: 1
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如果学术能力很强就留美国，不太行就去加拿大

• Author: trevzt
• Created: 2022-10-12 10:24:23 UTC
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你去走一个neu的align或者ubc的bcpnp 拿到身份以后再想办法回美国

• Author: fuckccpdog
• Created: 2022-10-14 08:41:01 UTC
• Score: 1
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常青藤是什么大佬 我带专给跪了