本人目前国内合办大学在读,专业是理工天坑,家里大概还能爆100个金币给我读硕士,目前家里的想法是送去欧陆🇪🇺读硕读博,顺道拿pr(主要考虑荷兰比利时),我自己的想法是赴美🇺🇸读硕士,家里认为赴美这条路拿不到卡,送中风险太大,建议拿个欧陆身份保底也不迟,求懂哥支招


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别骂了别骂了😭😭😭

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欧陆一些学校连金币都不用被爆,准备好生活费就行。美国严格来说已经不是移民国家了,不如润欧拿到护照再去美国

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🇺🇸不是移民国家了?求大佬解惑。目前欧陆考虑的主要是TUD和鲁文,瑞士的eth由于瑞士的绿卡政策太严苛而打算排除

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你连瑞士的移民政策都有所了解,难道不知道美国绿卡出生地排期这一事实?

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H1b我是不想了,目前想法是eb1a能不能有突破口,毕竟是理工天坑,而且现在也有能拿到🇺🇸前五十直博的可能

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其实eb1a有点太难了,可能eb2可能性更高一点

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  1. 你要是有拿EB1A的學術能力,你去歐陸讀博一樣能拿下來

  2. 你要只能拿到美國前五十的話,那同等水平的學校歐洲不難找。你要是能拿到美國前五的話另講。

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好的,谢谢指点

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Op的家里人最主要的就是要求我尽早拿第二个身份,至于是美国还是欧盟,或者加拿大澳洲都行,但是op从以后的收入水平来看还是更倾向美国。澳洲由于专业不合+条件严苛排除,加拿大也在考虑,和欧陆在做比较。

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家里人看法挺好的,加油👏

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Op家里也说过,不太需要让我考虑家里后续养老问题啥的,先润出去,尽早扎根把自己过好就行,但是op还是希望能尽早多爆点金币,这样也是能有更多的底气去面对风险,也能说把op家人从老中🇨🇳接出来

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同生化环材鼠鼠,不想爆家里太多,只能选择欧陆😭

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我也不想爆金币😭😭😭,但是个人觉得可能美国如果留下工作,一百个金币应该挣回来难度不大,但是美国难留;可是欧陆(除瑞士)挣回一百个金币的难度要大得多

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但你花的少啊😭

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我想出去已经不是为了金币了😭

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可能也是我想法狭隘太执着于金币了

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国内黑神话这波过去之后估计又要往民粹化方向发展了,唉

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唉,其实我犹豫欧陆可能也是我在🇨🇳生活惯了的原因,本质上还是喜欢亚洲式的生活方式,欧陆🇪🇺对我来说文化上的差异感太强了,新大陆国家🇺🇸🇨🇦🇦🇺可能对我来说更熟悉一点;亚洲吧,日本🇯🇵感觉产业界和学校都太封闭了,除非一心瞄准去日本,否则不太好去,新加坡🇸🇬本人能力有限,感觉很难拿新加坡的pr,香港🇭🇰已经没必要了,韩国🇰🇷是低配日本

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但是国内也是真的,唉

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韩国其实成本最低了。但是说实话,离这里越近的国家未来可能都会被波及到

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本人材料的,其实和韩国🇰🇷的产业界还是挺适配的,但是一来韩国🇰🇷在润学圈感觉挺冷门的,没啥人提,不知道为什么,二来听说韩国也是发达国家里面最卷的一个,毕竟还是底蕴太浅了。

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哈哈,我也是材料,其实这个专业最好的去处还是日本(对中国人来说)

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日本嘛哈哈,其实我是傻卵二次元,文化上还是更喜欢日本,但是日本由于产业界学术界的相对封闭,可能更需要有一条路走到黑的决心,而且本人所在学校没有赴日的传统,除去英国🇬🇧,香港🇭🇰,新加坡🇸🇬的授课硕士,毕业生基本上是美国🇺🇸和欧盟🇪🇺五五开

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浅浅盒一下,合办带学🤔是宁诺吗

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不是,是某个非英语国家的冷门合办(其实说到这基本上已经指名道姓了,别盒我),宁诺那边理工天坑没那么多,而且润欧盟的比例也没那么多

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唉这个理工院校,全天坑,没ee,其实我想法是我是材料的,但是硕士尽量往ee方向去靠/转专业,所以挑的鲁文和tud,还有eth/epfl和kth,而且我们学校有过这条路走通去鲁文的先例

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不盒不盒,单纯好奇,我一个哥们宁诺材料的😭

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哈哈我有一亲戚,西浦计算机,然后今年毕业申到了帝国理工一年硕,现在想留🇬🇧(或者说是远离老中),不知道他成功率几何,感觉一年硕不送回老中的基本很少,我也算拿个参考

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我家里属于那种没啥职位能让我安排,能做的也基本只有爆点金币那种,再结合🇨🇳现状,所以老登就希望我别回来了

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基本上奔着回国去的一年硕,对我来说就排除了,因为在🇨🇳,压力甚至比天天拿不到卡提心吊胆的🇺🇸还大得多,就算是外企也有撤出🇨🇳的风险

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脑瘫儿

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不盒不盒,单纯好奇,我一个哥们宁诺材料的😭

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感觉现在老中像个巫妖王,既希望他爆又害怕他爆

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想来在这里抱怨也没啥意义了,唉😭只希望没有疯到把门全部关死吧

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唉😞

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欧盟存下钱的难度太大,收入低物价高。不过欧盟同一国家连续待满5年即有资格获得绿卡(还要通过当地语言考试),和美国比各有优劣把。

不过核心观点是一致的:在任何一个国家,仅靠打工是不可能获得大比金钱的,更不可能财富自由

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高考当年算是个中流211水平,但是得益于我们学校technion的招牌,确实是走研究型硕士和博士的人大有人在,每年稳定产出理工天坑的🇺🇸前20和eth/epfl也不是难事,op的水平算是去🇺🇸前20和eth/epfl硕士不是什么问题,但是🇺🇸直博的话大概只能在前50

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emmm,看得出来op还比较年轻🤣

我的建议是你先去试一试申请或者陶瓷再说,你恐怕低估了读完博士的难度。。。

友情提示,欧盟绝大多数国家要求必须读完硕士才能申请博士。另外,凡是带奖学金or stipend的职位都非常难申请;最后,这几年由于中美关系非常不好,申请欧洲博士的大牛多如牛麻,你要有心理准备。

  • Author: Frysland_2023
  • Created: 2024-08-23 15:42:04 UTC
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好的,谢谢敲打

  • Author: Frysland_2023
  • Created: 2024-08-23 03:52:55 UTC
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而且不打工的话,我认为可能只有靠资产的爆发性增值(例如前两年🇨🇳房价的增值),或者是创业,前者我觉得这个事情已经是很难再现了,前两年🇨🇳房价的奇迹基本在世界上很难再现,后者创业的话,也是在🇺🇸比在🇪🇺创业要更好,不过也有可能是我观点狭隘了

  • Author: 6uttslapper
  • Created: 2024-08-23 05:12:02 UTC
  • Score: 1
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嗨,Flashy_Effect_9170!

我同意你的观点,欧盟和美国都有各自的优劣势。在欧盟存钱可能更困难,因为收入较低而物价较高。但是,欧盟的绿卡要求似乎更容易达到——只要在同一个国家连续居住五年并通过语言考试就可以了。另一方面,在美国可能更容易赚钱,但获得绿卡的门槛也更高。

至于OP的学习能力和申请博士的难度,我认为这是一个合理的担忧。如果OP真的想要留在欧盟从事白领工作,那么是时候“发狠”了。这可能意味着疯狂学习,或者积累大量的实习经验,以提高自己的就业竞争力。

最后,我想强调,无论在哪个国家,仅仅依靠打工是很难积累大量财富的。所以,OP(以及那些有 similar 背景的润友)需要考虑自己的优势和选择的权衡,并为自己选择的道路做好充分的准备。

希望我的回复对你有所帮助!如果还有其他问题,欢迎继续讨论~

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  • Author: Whispersfine
  • Created: 2024-08-22 15:50:40 UTC
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加澳比欧洲身份好用

  • Author: [deleted]
  • Created: 2024-08-22 15:56:20 UTC
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  • Author: Frysland_2023
  • Created: 2024-08-22 15:56:35 UTC
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澳洲由于移民政策+专业限制基本排除,加拿大倒是好拿卡,但是个人认为可能加拿大学校和理工产业界相比不如欧陆,所以加拿大也是纳入了考虑范围之内

  • Author: Whispersfine
  • Created: 2024-08-22 16:34:54 UTC
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我感觉想得有点太远了,欧盟国家也就德法工业还行,北欧几个国家都不是主流移民国家,别给自己添乱了

  • Author: Lanky_Budget_6097
  • Created: 2024-08-22 15:57:07 UTC
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欧陆得学二外吧

  • Author: livewithdopaminee
  • Created: 2024-08-22 16:37:50 UTC
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我是在纠结欧洲和澳洲

  • Author: Frysland_2023
  • Created: 2024-08-22 17:21:31 UTC
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澳洲好留吗?感觉理工除了计算机,还有采矿业啥的,澳洲都不太好留吧,本人对澳洲了解不太多

  • Author: Practical_Case6505
  • Created: 2024-08-22 17:36:24 UTC
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澳洲计算机不好留的,要去澳洲就要拼命找本地老婆,不然大概率留不下

  • Author: webleak007
  • Created: 2024-08-22 23:00:18 UTC
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去欧洲吧 现在美签太难下了

  • Author: Feeling_Passenger815
  • Created: 2024-08-22 23:17:30 UTC
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我的思维方式是这样的,我先考虑失败。如果都失败,欧陆的成本最低。如果能成功,其实哪里都行。

  • Author: Inside-Discount-939
  • Created: 2024-08-22 23:49:28 UTC
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美国,再次也有20%的中签率呢,还能来3次

  • Author: Frysland_2023
  • Created: 2024-08-23 08:05:03 UTC
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各位懂哥能否再解答一下🇮🇱硕士的性价比?本人目前是广东technion合办大学,学校政策是赴🇮🇱读硕读博免学费+生活补助,基本上不用爆米就能拿到硕博