前情提要 https://www.reddit.com/r/iwanttorun/s/hqCiA0QONa

跟公检法打了一年,最后终于拿回了自己的护照。咨询律师意见后我买了最近的机票直接离开。现在已经成功入境美国,坐在家里椅子上心里五味杂陈。


  • Author: theNullpointers
  • Created: 2024-08-29 12:56:15 UTC
  • Score: 17
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在中国的这段时间我在中国四处旅行,去体验这里的风土人情,历史文化,甚至让我有点喜欢这里,真正要离开的时候甚至有点不舍。但屋子里终究是有着大象,街上无处不在的宣传标语,执法部门,监控摄像却时刻提醒我这里不好的一面。我恶心这里的政府,但我喜欢这里的人

  • Author: SHChan1986
  • Created: 2024-08-29 13:10:42 UTC
  • Score: 28
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有一點不同意的是, 有這樣的人民, 才會有這樣的政府.

甚麼文革, 納綷等等不是一個人能弄出來的, 而是必須有那個土壤, 才會有那個果.

房間的大象之所以能存在, 和房間住甚麼人民是有著莫大的關係的.

  • Author: theNullpointers
  • Created: 2024-08-29 13:13:46 UTC
  • Score: 11
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真的理不清。把我放在那里,我也害怕了,我也低头了,所以我没有资格批判他们。这是否意味着我也是问题的一部分呢?我甚至说不清楚他们问题出在哪

  • Author: SHChan1986
  • Created: 2024-08-29 13:36:25 UTC
  • Score: 8
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這不是單一一個個體的問題, 而是整個社會, 文化的問題了.

所以能逃出來的, 脫支是融入的重一環. 不一定要到脫亞入X (人家日韓台之類好地地), 但脫離簡中圈的影嚮和思維習慣是重要的一步.

  • Author: Mediocre_Credit_5879
  • Created: 2024-08-30 04:28:22 UTC
  • Score: 2
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不同意,这是一种歧视,人都是一样的,思想行为差异也是各种复杂的客观环境原因导致的,并不存在一个民族本性是啥样啥样的,就像德国曾诞生了纳粹,但现在却是个典型的民主国家,哪它的人民究竟是侵略性的还是和平开放的呢

  • Author: SHChan1986
  • Created: 2024-08-30 10:06:34 UTC
  • Score: 1
  • ID: lkncf9l
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  1. 不同年代的社會有不同的文化和民族性

  2. 二戰後德國要搞一次去納粹化是有必要的

  • Author: Mediocre_Credit_5879
  • Created: 2024-08-31 01:30:49 UTC
  • Score: 1
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这不就证明根本不存在民族性,就是应对不同局势的不同做法而已

  • Author: SHChan1986
  • Created: 2024-08-31 09:35:51 UTC
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當一個族群有著相近/相同的記憶,有共同的經歷

在應對局勢時有某些pattern的做法時,你叫不叫這個民族性已經不重要了

  • Author: Mediocre_Credit_5879
  • Created: 2024-08-30 04:38:32 UTC
  • Score: 3
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细看之下你就会发现,之所以有纳粹出现,跟德国的长久的历史脉络和当时只有德国存在的经济局面是极大相关的,而跟所谓民族性格完全没关系,而历史脉络和经济局势完全是不以人的性格为转移的,换句话说,如果换任何一个国家,处在那种局面,都会产生纳粹,而并不是德国人的性格,而所谓的民族性格也不过就是人类的本性而已,奴性,暴力性,自私性。。。。。这些是全人类共有的,只不过中国德国在特有的历史环境下表现的更加强烈。

  • Author: SHChan1986
  • Created: 2024-08-30 10:12:08 UTC
  • Score: 3
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和歷史背景有重大關係是肯定的,但講到和民族/文化完全沒關系,反正我是不信的

如果擬人地把一個民族看成一個人,那過去的經歷(歷史背景)和大環境當然會影嚮他的行為,但他自身的性格(民族特性)也會有一定影響的

或者你也可說,過去的經歷和䛏憶塑造了民族的特性

  • Author: dietrich_sa
  • Created: 2024-08-29 15:22:12 UTC
  • Score: 14
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我入籍前也有类似的想法,想拿猪肝红最后游一遍中国。但后来搁置了,原因是我环球旅行都玩不过来,根本没空去洼地。全世界那么多国家我都还没去过,比洼地精彩丰富的多,为什么一定要捆绑洼地这种第三世界的吊车尾。多去些各种各样的国家,打开些思维和视野你就会失去对洼地的兴趣。

  • Author: SHChan1986
  • Created: 2024-08-29 15:45:07 UTC
  • Score: 5
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我覺得這是邏輯倒置了: 該是換了護照才去中国旅遊.

是外國人的情況下, 地方官吏要搞你的成本和風險很不一樣的, 所以相對安全了不少. 畢竟以旅遊價值來講, 中國不少的景點的確是世界級的. (e.g. 兵馬俑故宮長城九寨溝等對)

  • Author: dietrich_sa
  • Created: 2024-08-29 15:51:04 UTC
  • Score: 16
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如今我去了40多个国家,七大洲除了南极全都去过,各种世界级,xx之最的东西看太多了,对洼地瓦房店的假古迹重建的玩意儿对我真没啥吸引力。

  • Author: IllustriousOwl282
  • Created: 2024-08-30 10:44:10 UTC
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我也去了不少地方,说实话没比中国好到哪去(除了厕所,全世界应该找不出比中国厕所更脏的国家)

  • Author: xiangwuneng
  • Created: 2024-08-29 12:58:29 UTC
  • Score: 42
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恭喜 主像带领摩西一样带领你

  • Author: theNullpointers
  • Created: 2024-08-29 13:09:52 UTC
  • Score: 5
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阿门

  • Author: theNullpointers
  • Created: 2024-08-29 13:01:01 UTC
  • Score: 68
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但一想到警察,检察官,法官的那副嘴脸,那种张牙舞爪的样子,后背还是会发凉

我印象特别深刻,当时我坐在拘束椅上,我对警察说“我想要咨询下律师”,警察用那种充满嘲讽和凶狠的语气回答“这儿他妈的是中国,别跟我律师不律师的!” 那种绝望感,我依旧可以记起来

  • Author: theNullpointers
  • Created: 2024-08-29 13:05:37 UTC
  • Score: 44
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如果有的人作恶是身不由己,出于自保,我可以理解,甚至可以原谅。但那种生动的傲慢,对法律和人权的蔑视是装不出来的。这样的人让我感到憎恶

  • Author: Affectionate_Ad9504
  • Created: 2024-08-29 13:06:33 UTC
  • Score: 29
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经验之谈 如何他们吓唬你 你面不改色 完全不吃他们那套 甚至越吓唬你 你越露出轻蔑的笑容 这些人就会收敛一点 小人都会畏惧心里真正强大的人

  • Author: theNullpointers
  • Created: 2024-08-29 13:07:50 UTC
  • Score: 18
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我那个时候刚本科毕业,没有那个心理素质,唉

  • Author: Affectionate_Ad9504
  • Created: 2024-08-29 13:21:59 UTC
  • Score: 10
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一回生二回熟 如何选择在国内这种丛林社会生活 必修课

  • Author: theNullpointers
  • Created: 2024-08-29 13:22:33 UTC
  • Score: 11
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希望不要有二次吧🙏

  • Author: hidden_Taksaka
  • Created: 2024-09-02 06:14:29 UTC
  • Score: 1
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确实,现在我回想起来被喝茶也会问自己当时为什么不够勇敢

  • Author: theNullpointers
  • Created: 2024-08-29 13:06:37 UTC
  • Score: 26
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还有别的经典语录“你没罪抓你做什么”“这儿的警犬都比嫌疑人有人权”“自己掂量掂量”

  • Author: theNullpointers
  • Created: 2024-08-29 13:09:30 UTC
  • Score: 41
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还有骗你认罪,说什么只是走个程序,老实交代,该认的认了,办完就回家了。现实是如果签了就准备坐个五年七年的吧

  • Author: JoseSebastianW123
  • Created: 2024-08-29 18:53:05 UTC
  • Score: 4
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跟我多次跟洼地晶哥打交道的经历相似,我一到西双版纳边境火车站直接被带到派出所

  • Author: theNullpointers
  • Created: 2024-08-29 13:02:18 UTC
  • Score: 8
  • ID: lkhvmds
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说是喜欢这里的人,但那些可恶的警察不也是这里的人?有时候我自己也搞不清楚自己在想什么了

  • Author: theNullpointers
  • Created: 2024-08-29 13:03:26 UTC
  • Score: 7
  • ID: lkhvt2s
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我的手机和其它个人物品到现在依旧扣押在公安那里,啧啧

  • Author: SoftMost101
  • Created: 2024-08-29 13:15:29 UTC
  • Score: 1
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能说说发生了啥嘛?

  • Author: theNullpointers
  • Created: 2024-08-29 13:17:24 UTC
  • Score: 16
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家人在国内,我也有点paranoid,我不是很想说怕惹麻烦。太容易对上号了

  • Author: theNullpointers
  • Created: 2024-08-29 13:18:19 UTC
  • Score: 19
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简单来说就是被抓了,然后又放了,最后磨了一年多解除了出境限制,跑了

  • Author: theNullpointers
  • Created: 2024-08-29 13:15:48 UTC
  • Score: 43
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看守所感觉是我经历过最接近地狱的地方。在那里唯一的感受就是绝望,以及一天10几个小时的静坐

  • Author: Risingggggggg
  • Created: 2024-08-29 13:22:42 UTC
  • Score: 13
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恭喜,別再回去了

  • Author: Mr1jojo
  • Created: 2024-08-29 14:10:54 UTC
  • Score: 5
  • ID: lki7oic
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宣告诗篇91篇显现在你的生命当中!

  • Author: 625mph
  • Created: 2024-08-29 14:25:12 UTC
  • Score: 8
  • ID: lkiadpv
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恭喜,祝你未来一切顺利

  • Author: S2EMZ
  • Created: 2024-08-29 15:37:50 UTC
  • Score: 16
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恭喜🎉上帝保佑你🙏圣经里不是说罗得的妻子回头看就变成盐柱了吗,要是我是你的话,一落地就不会再去想关于中国的事了

  • Author: theNullpointers
  • Created: 2024-08-29 15:38:38 UTC
  • Score: 6
  • ID: lkiopya
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唉,真要实践起来好难啊,真的好难…

  • Author: nick123346
  • Created: 2024-08-29 15:58:20 UTC
  • Score: 2
  • ID: lkiso61
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祝你好运🙏

  • Author: Mysterious_Note_4946
  • Created: 2024-08-29 16:21:44 UTC
  • Score: 2
  • ID: lkixaiv
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祝你好运

  • Author: Accomplished_Sign433
  • Created: 2024-08-29 17:30:05 UTC
  • Score: 12
  • ID: lkjax07
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看op的意思,因该是在美国参与过游行示威并且在互联网上留下过痕迹,被国保记录在册回国直接扣押吧?

  • Author: theNullpointers
  • Created: 2024-08-31 19:04:56 UTC
  • Score: 1
  • ID: lkvi06o
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还有大学时候弄的的研究gfw的材料,各种文书,ppt,presentation

  • Author: JoseSebastianW123
  • Created: 2024-08-29 18:49:36 UTC
  • Score: 4
  • ID: lkjqi7p
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哎,exodus,祝你一切顺利

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  • Created: 2024-08-30 00:21:32 UTC
  • Score: 1
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[deleted]

  • Author: Maleficent_Hall_820
  • Created: 2024-08-30 00:35:21 UTC
  • Score: 2
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恭喜你

  • Author: Express_Freedom1820
  • Created: 2024-08-30 01:30:44 UTC
  • Score: 2
  • ID: lklq5al
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🙏

  • Author: faceless_performer
  • Created: 2024-08-30 05:03:36 UTC
  • Score: 3
  • ID: lkmjhc7
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🤞Best of luck 祝op成功逃出生天 We allowed to be free, don’t give in to nostalgia. 共勉

  • Author: faceless_performer
  • Created: 2024-08-30 05:04:39 UTC
  • Score: 3
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https://preview.redd.it/ss8prqfmhqld1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e09b43c6d6864d9fbe255747f1a919f9bec626c8

  • Author: paintscar
  • Created: 2024-09-02 01:05:43 UTC
  • Score: 1
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请问这是什么电影?谢谢

  • Author: Lonely_Tradition_860
  • Created: 2024-09-04 09:08:41 UTC
  • Score: 1
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天堂电影院

  • Author: faceless_performer
  • Created: 2024-09-13 02:47:59 UTC
  • Score: 1
  • ID: lmvd7c8
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Cinema Paradiso (1988) 天堂电影院

  • Author: XinniePooh_2952
  • Created: 2024-08-30 07:44:50 UTC
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别成盐柱

  • Author: theNullpointers
  • Created: 2024-08-30 08:15:32 UTC
  • Score: 1
  • ID: lkn27cn
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是的,理性的东西我都知道。只是感情上还有点shock

  • Author: biglarsh
  • Created: 2024-08-30 17:52:11 UTC
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我記得當時在你帖子下留言過。感謝update, 也願你未來生活如意。

  • Author: theNullpointers
  • Created: 2024-08-30 17:52:57 UTC
  • Score: 2
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谢谢你

  • Author: Alert-Housing1989
  • Created: 2024-08-31 13:36:32 UTC
  • Score: 2
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op很勇敢,加油,来了就是美国人

  • Author: Beijing_cyber_police
  • Created: 2024-09-02 00:10:45 UTC
  • Score: 2
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可以,respect

  • Author: autodanger
  • Created: 2024-09-02 00:47:24 UTC
  • Score: 1
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现在能说说你的故事了吗

  • Author: zhichixijinping1314
  • Created: 2024-09-03 18:04:02 UTC
  • Score: 1
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话说怎么被盯上的 太吓人了