下图是美国各州和欧洲各国的家庭中位数收入对比,越蓝收入越高,越红收入越低。
只有挪威能勉强达到美国的收入水平,即使是挪威,也就是美国比较穷的州的水平 ,内布拉斯加、堪萨斯等。把麻省、DC拿出来,世界上几乎没有任何一个地区可以在收入上相提并论。
下次也别说美国人天塌了,直接说中国人均生活水平赶英超美得了。
从养老上,美国养老金以401k为主,401k不受惩罚的取出年龄是59.5岁,也就是说只要你有足够的401k养老金,你59.5岁就可以退休。而欧洲养老金以国家高税收带来的统一发放为主,退休年龄经常要到将近70岁。
假设你要退休养老,那么你需要一个很温暖的地区。挪威奥斯陆冬天平均低温有零下6度,极端低温有零下26度。瑞典斯德哥尔摩冬天平均低温有零下3度,极端低温有零下28度。另外,这两个城市每年只有38%的时间是晴天。而美国养老比较流行的地方,圣迭戈,冬天平均低温10度,每年有69%的时间是晴天。佛州坦帕,冬天平均低温12度,每年有66%的时间是晴天。
对账后还有一个经典言论是中国人在国外过得都不好,只是他们好面子不愿意说。可查阅目前美国亚裔的预期寿命是86岁,比中国高了8岁。加州和夏威夷这种比较温暖适合老人的地区亚裔预期寿命可以达到88岁,比香港和日本都要高。
- Author: HeartAcrossOcean
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可以这么说这次我真的觉醒了
https://preview.redd.it/mv102cvv1rde1.png?width=1440&format=png&auto=webp&s=c411abdf600cd8221d220249b66658b013a6be4f
- Author: keluokedaer
- Created: 2025-01-18 13:01:50 UTC
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已经三觉甚至二觉了,简直觉觉子
- Author: Undocumented_1649
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芝麻大放北美垫底 放欧洲已经是领先了 很难想象别的地方有多穷
- Author: Hollande_Uranus
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艹,我还以为加拿大工资挺低的。不过那边找不到工作的人挺多的
- Author: Big_Letterhead_632
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喜欢支那的永世轮回投胎支那就完事了
- Author: Hollande_Uranus
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高清图去哪找
- Author: DefiantMaybe5386
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那为什么说天塌了
- Author: Adronds
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妈的 魁北克这么穷啊
- Author: Undocumented_1649
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但是魁北克福利和生活质量高 人均寿命和生活满意度都是全加最高的 失业率也是几乎最低
- Author: runrunrun-
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你这个但是不就是小红书说中国好的逻辑
- Author: Darkeva007
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稅全加最高,吸聯邦血也吸得最狠福利能不好嗎?
- Author: Electronic_Salad_272
- Created: 2025-01-18 14:01:19 UTC
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小红书上面还有一部分议题讨论的是医疗问题,美国人说看病太贵(我没去过美国不知道实情如何)
- Author: MailOk1533
- Created: 2025-01-18 15:27:31 UTC
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主要是看保险。如果你不买保险硬看病,那被价格吓傻是必然的
- Author: Hour-Profession9595
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比🀄️贵?动不动个微创20-30万……
- Author: Important_Pay3174
- Created: 2025-01-18 14:38:55 UTC
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我觉得这就是皆大欢喜,中国人觉得外国人都在受苦受难,所以还是在中国呆着吧别到处乱跑了
- Author: No-Lab4175
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欧洲退休年龄经常要到 70 岁是什么平行宇宙,这里是 2002-2007 年的数据(OECD)(当然现在肯定退休更早了):
国家 实际退休年龄(男) 实际退休年龄(女) 韩国 71.2 67.9 日本 69.5 66.5 瑞典 65.7 62.9 瑞士 65.2 64.1 美国 64.6 63.9 澳大利亚 64.4 62.2 挪威 64.2 63.2 加拿大 63.3 61.9 英国 63.2 61.9 德国 62.1 61 荷兰 61.6 61.3 波兰 61.4 57.7 西班牙 61.4 63.1 意大利 60.8 60.8 法国 58.7 59.5
- Author: No-Lab4175
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图中比的应该是税后收入(美国数据源,欧洲数据源),拿福利国家和非福利国家比税后收入有点田忌赛马了,就和对比人均 GDP 爱尔兰直接全世界第一一样,和实际体验是脱钩的,很简单的一个就是欧洲大部分国家公立大学对所有本国生都是免学费甚至倒贴生活费的,甚至医学院都能免,美国有几个州能做到?
正经对比税后收入考虑到福利和物价水平应该拿购买力平价,差距就没那么夸张
此外也可以直接比税前收入,但是我没找到欧洲的税前中位数收入数据源
然后你再看一下人均年工时,美国年均 1810 小时和德国年均 1340 小时能是一个体验吗,简单做一下除法得出每小时购买力等效中位数家庭等效收入:
- Author: No-Lab4175
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然后你再看一下人均年工时,简单做一下加减乘除得出:
Country Result (income per hour) Working hour (OECD, 2022) Median equivalised disposable income Norway 29 1424 41,621 United States 27 1810 48,625 Germany 27 1340 35,537 Switzerland 26 1528 39,698 Netherlands 25 1427 35,891 Canada 23 1686 39,388 Sweden 23 1440 33,472 Australia 22 1707 36,835 France 20 1511 30,622 United Kingdom 18 1531 26,884 South Korea 17 1901 31,882 Italy 17 1694 27,949 Spain 16 1643 26,630 Poland 13 1814 24,264 Japan 13 1607 21,282
- Author: alphacarrera3
- Created: 2025-01-18 14:54:21 UTC
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Source 是哪儿的
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- Author: No-Lab4175
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Country Result (income per hour) Working hour (OECD, 2022) Median equivalised disposable income (USD PPP, OECD, 2021) Norway 29 1424 41,621 United States 27 1810 48,625 Germany 27 1340 35,537 Switzerland 26 1528 39,698 Netherlands 25 1427 35,891 Canada 23 1686 39,388 Sweden 23 1440 33,472 Australia 22 1707 36,835 France 20 1511 30,622 United Kingdom 18 1531 26,884 South Korea 17 1901 31,882 Italy 17 1694 27,949 Spain 16 1643 26,630 Poland 13 1814 24,264 Japan 13 1607 21,282
- Author: chatxjp4
- Created: 2025-01-18 15:40:20 UTC
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不谈购买力有个卵用,就算是打算退休去泰国退休,也得算每个月存得下多少钱吧?
- Author: InterestingBand9744
- Created: 2025-01-18 15:47:09 UTC
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有个问题有没有人关注:Tiktok要黄,小留们没反应吗?看样子这公司不可能出售,那么基本上就要关了。在其中工作的小留们只怕要失业了。
- Author: Positive_Whole8011
- Created: 2025-01-18 16:51:09 UTC
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尼基系数不敢公布的嘲笑世界第一大消费国过得不行还行
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- Author: editiontom
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加拿大比德国都还高,假的吧,是ppp?
- Author: ListenHot9494
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反正国内的有钱没钱的都往外跑,我就知道答案了
- Author: Hour-Profession9595
- Created: 2025-01-19 17:46:16 UTC
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不是,这所谓对账,真有人信???
- Author: Individual_Cry9780
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这图不准,瑞士绝对吊打加拿大和美国大部分州
- Author: Positive_Clock4076
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北美 澳新别的不谈,单从人均资源像淡水 石油 森林 气候 都是全球第一档次的,旧大陆确实比不了
- Author: mchotdograp
- Created: 2025-01-19 19:37:12 UTC
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靠 那我以后还是去北方地区好了 BC收入这么低
- Author: Darkeva007
- Created: 2025-01-21 13:33:35 UTC
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北方地區消費比BC還高,草原三省倒是挺不錯的
- Author: mchotdograp
- Created: 2025-01-21 16:00:30 UTC
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消费大头不都是在房子车子上吗,吃穿能占多大比例?贵能贵哪去
- Author: Darkeva007
- Created: 2025-01-21 16:08:15 UTC
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我同學去過育空,物價真的高太多,而且氣候非常不適宜居住,交通也不太方便,就算收入高生活質量也不會高的,我感覺還是安省和草原省綜合來說比較宜居。而且你如果想省錢自己做飯的話,買菜都比別的省份貴不少,最主要的就是背部的收入相對別的省份並沒有高太多,不足以掩蓋當地其他的一些缺點
- Author: AwareSandwich3216
- Created: 2025-01-21 10:54:31 UTC
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收入只是一方面,还要考虑社会福利,欧洲这方面比美国强很多吧