最近看到几个认识的美本的中国女生申请phd的personal statement,我大受震撼,她们本身都是来自非富即贵的家庭,但ps里把自己描述的很惨:有少数民族官二代说自己作为少民在国内被压迫的(再压也压不了赵家人呀,而且作为一个连自己民族语言都不会说的少民,这是否有点。。。),有说自己是女性,在中国本身大概率被丢弃的(沪国红二代独生女,说弃婴我是不信的),有三自教会家庭说自己家因为宗教信仰被压迫的(三自教会和正常教会的区别就和中国工会和正常国家工会的区别一样,挂个名字作为中国政府的工具干相反的事情)。

他们的录取结果都不错,但他们的背景确实也很好,所以我不确定卖惨是否起了作用。 Any insights?


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单纯好奇下,做这种事情的人群里集美的比例是多少

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我这次看到的几个都是集美

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我不觉得有多大用,申请博士主要还是看推荐信和论文发表,其次Research Statement,这类personal/diversity statement都是可交可不交,起不到多大作用

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其实我也赞同你的观点,一直是这么认为的。但这几个录取结果都很好,科研也一般;但毕竟是美本,美本是个大加分项。我不清楚他们的卖惨是否也是加分项之一

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美本的优势就是能接触到大牛的机会远比陆本多,很可能拿到好推荐信了,反正我的经历就是推荐信远大于一切,这类diversity statment在博士申请阶段也不太吃香,本科倒挺有用的

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是的,美本申请phd就是easy模式

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读 PhD 是做研究/干活的。卖惨不仅没用,还可能起到负作用。

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也许admission office好这一口?这几个都去了ivy或者差不多级别的学校的stem phd 了。背景是普通美本,有科研经验无科研产出,ps里聊的科研深度也一般,感觉科研经验就是在lab打杂,所以我很惊讶,思考好奇会不会是卖惨起作用了

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基本没啥用,本科可能有用,博士用处不大。人家导师是招学术农民工和学术牛马的,不是招学术小仙女的。不过亚裔女性这个身份确实会占便宜。支国有“无知少女”的说法,在美利坚目前也同样适用,没辙,我大美利坚国情在此。此案例可以说明“贱人就是矫情”,连申请都一股子狐媚劲,“装天真无知搏皇上喜欢”。

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而且令我惊讶的是他们的申请也都是找的中介(一般理工科申请博士不会找中介的,没人能比你更懂你自己的研究),也就是说可能这是中介的惯用路数。他们要是申请上ivy的ms我不会惊讶,但申请上了ivy的stem phd所以我才惊讶的(普通美本,有科研经验但没科研产出),由此反思是否应该在ps里卖惨。如果是导师的话,肯定是希望招学术民工牛马;但学校层面的admission committee可能不一定这么觉得也不一定那么看重科研能力,admission和fellowship可以不被导师的偏好左右

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什么神仙中介

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就算别人能做的事情,你不一定可以做。而且人家也不是因为这个而录取的。人家是“无知少女”,本身就是一个小优势。而且藤校的精华在于本科,还有商科法律和医学,藤校的stem博士已经是二线了。学校博士招生就是系里了老头子老奶奶一起商量。

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国内的中介我之前也接触过,他们(只限于我了解的)会招一些在读的phd(而且都是名校)做辅助,这些phd自己当年就申请过,属于有经验的(其实就和本校学长学姐一个性质,不过这个是收钱的)

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是的,基本上有人在网上发offer或者表现出是个phd都会收到中介发来的邀请私信

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不要卖惨,不要写任何负面内容,不要写你需要什么,focus on what you can bring and what your experience can bring。此原则适用于申请任何给你钱的东西

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Got it, thank you!

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集美智慧,集霸们学会了吗

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学了也没用,东施效颦罢了(狠下心成为mtf/gay或许还能扳回一城)

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申请庇护有用,申请博士没用,博士只看发表和师门

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case by case,我见过国内双非本硕(也有可能普通211,反正不是出名的大学)也没科研产出(念的授课硕)的女生去年申请上top50 cs,然后在小红书抖音开号做中介业务经常开直播现在几万粉了。申请欧美博士国女比国男优势太多了。国男phd基本入学就在狠狠科研准备投顶会了,她还在开直播血战coursework

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可能是DEI,fund充足或者自费读

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全奖的

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我申请七个项目就一个要personal statement,其他都是statement of purpose,只要写科研经历背景目标

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你已经相信卖惨是有用的了,其他人劝不住你的。不过如果说一定要卖惨,也要说明因为这个惨会对这个项目更忠诚。

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我对这个是半信半疑的,但我倒是不准备卖惨,良心过不去,会让自己恶心

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作用肯定是有的,这是支女一贯手段,只是现在洋大人看多了以后她们想卖惨,编故事的手段要求更高一些,洋大人的阈值也提高了

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国内卖惨还有点可信度,自费美本甚至美高还卖惨的话,希望洋大人能擦亮眼睛吧

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红二代现在申请美博?红一代现在还有几个活着的。二代少说也都四五十岁了吧

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我说的是她父亲红二代..这么一说的话她父亲也不一定是二代,但反正是红色背景

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平哥才是红二代,女儿30多要40了。

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教授是找人给他打工的,不是在那发福利的