( I mean owning a house, a car, and taking two vacations a year. I've been told that while a middle-class lifestyle is achievable in China, it's still incredibly difficult for ordinary people; in contrast, it's much easier to achieve in Japan.
What does modern Japan offer that modern China lacks? Why choose to leave at the peak of society? Are these people politically motivated, or is it simply impossible for them to enter the middle class and enjoy the benefits of Chinese society, such as owning a house, a car, or supporting a family? Political freedom doesn't mean much if you're starving. I'd rather have a house, a car, and one or two vacations a year than political freedom, you know what I mean?
That's what I'm asking. The situation isn't like it was fifty years ago; China is still poor and following outdated communist economic policies.
What's preventing them from starting their own companies and running their own businesses in China? Isn't China the country best positioned to do this? After all, it has such a massive manufacturing sector. Or is the opportunity for independent development so limited to a select few that the better option is to give it up and become a blue-collar worker in Japan or in other countries? )
我的意思是拥有一套房子、一辆车，并且每年去度假两次. 有人告诉我，虽然在中国能够实现中产阶级的生活，但对普通人来说仍然非常困难；相比之下，在日本要实现这种生活则容易得多。
现代日本有什么是现代中国所没有的呢？为什么要在社会的巅峰时期选择离开？这些人都是出于政治动机吗，还是他们在中国根本无法进入中产阶级，享受中国社会的好处，比如拥有一套房子、一辆车，或者养育一个家庭？如果你正在挨饿，政治自由并没有太大意义。我宁愿有一套房子、一辆车，每年还能去度假一两次，而不是拥有政治自由，你懂我的意思吧？
这就是我想问的，现在的情况不像五十年前那样，中国还很贫穷，还在遵循过时的共产主义经济政策。
是什么阻止他们在中国创办自己的公司并经营自己的业务？中国不是最有条件做到这一点的国家吗？毕竟那里有如此庞大的制造业。还是说，能够独立发展的机会只局限于少数人——以至于更好的选择是放弃，然后去日本当蓝领工人
Smart-Title-7161 · 2026-05-12 07:47:23 UTC · +3 ·
olbx245· ↗一个月薪4000的中国人除去日常衣食住行，你觉得要攒多少年的工资才能够买得起一辆10w+的汽车和50w+的房子外加每年两次的旅行
Ok-Dog1846 · 2026-05-12 08:25:08 UTC · +-2 ·
olc18hw· ↗朋友没结过婚吧，车也没开过低于轩逸的吧？真的低价旅游团你又看不起了，哈哈
Smart-Title-7161 · 2026-05-12 09:04 UTC · +5 ·
olc5k0y· ↗还提结婚呢，不少家庭结婚都是贷款借钱结的婚
Ok-Dog1846 · 2026-05-12 09:10:58 UTC · +-1 ·
olc6c0g· ↗就说您真没结过婚吧
Smart-Title-7161 · 2026-05-12 09:16:42 UTC · +3 ·
olc6z6b· ↗你来河南河北山东山西江西这种地方看看不就行了
PressureHour9813 · 2026-05-12 08:31:03 UTC · +0 ·
olc1vth· ↗both economic and polytical,
Icy_helios · 2026-05-12 08:40:47 UTC · +2 ·
olc2y2y· ↗I believe that those who have fled the country may have a deeper understanding of the relationship between political freedom and economic development than the average foreigner, because they have firsthand experience of how volatile policies, opaque regulations, and a strong desire for control can stifle creativity. Small entrepreneurs struggle to secure sufficient investment when entering the market (due to the banking system and state-owned enterprises’ tight control over capital), and they have little chance to start over after failure (as the consequences of bankruptcy are severe). Yet a government with such strong control does not guarantee your basic rights; the nightmare of the last century has never truly receded—it is drawing ever closer.
SirVast8919 · 2026-05-12 11:23:49 UTC · +4 ·
olcnnas· ↗没有自由可言，当人哪怕有钱了，依然会选择离开。上个网都要用vpn，要是可以用星链都比用vpn强
Holiday-Instruction4 · 2026-05-13 01:54:51 UTC · +1 ·
olhl7hg·:IE: Éire· ↗但是那些底层老钟没几个润出去是为了这个的，这个老外说得没错：
我宁愿有一套房子、一辆车，每年还能去度假一两次，而不是拥有政治自由，你懂我的意思吧？
SirVast8919 · 2026-05-13 06:54:22 UTC · +1 ·
olis5vy· ↗问题是钱到一定程度了，只玩这些会玩腻的，房子，车子，又有什么意思。
Holiday-Instruction4 · 2026-05-13 12:29:17 UTC · +1 ·
olk07vu·:IE: Éire· ↗要玩政治才有意思吗？
FirefighterForward45 · 2026-05-12 12:48:15 UTC · +1 ·
old22nx·:DE: Deutschland· ↗His Ytb video disappeared, so I paste the repost in chinese website. Talk about Russia but China same.
TheOnlyGoodKing · 2026-05-12 17:57:23 UTC · +2 ·
olexx7j· ↗然而大部分日本人没有汽车，持有汽车的成本极高，或者只能买k-car，体验很差。
Round-Champion6658 · 2026-05-13 00:29:01 UTC · +2 ·
olh5vpd· ↗In most parts of China, a healthy adult can own a house and a car by working hard. Their reasons for going abroad are simply to earn more money or to become a boss in a poorer environment.
chaoguan_nmsl · 2026-05-13 01:09:42 UTC · +1 ·
olhd83x· ↗China has 1.4 billion people, of whom approximately 1.3 billion are engaged in slave labor, earning no more than $500 a month. The remaining population is roughly as wealthy as those in developed countries.
Holiday-Instruction4 · 2026-05-13 01:49:14 UTC · +1 ·
olhk7t5·:IE: Éire· ↗As for me, I choose to emigrate because of the heavy workload, competitive atmosphere and the office politics in Chinese workplace. Freedom and democracy is too distant for most Chinese, and most of them never think about it.
Large_Scale_8964 · 2026-05-13 02:53:21 UTC · +1 ·
olhvdo0· ↗The point is you don't get actual work-life balance. To get a house means you literally becomes debt slave for 30 years. Go on vacations for a few times a year? That would only make sense if you work for large MNC or being an state employee, any other work would make sure you don't have time for any kind of vacation