Hi

As you may know and be one of them, people in the East Asia have been fascinated with Japan-originated idolatry contents indurstry.

Yesterday I visited Saitama Super Arena for a certain reason, and I heard some people speak Chinese(Mandarin?). now it's no longer rare nor strange.

However, it's still less frequent for such Japanese 2D idols to hold their live performance in China proper or somewhere else aborad, except for Vtubers.

What do you think of this? what do you think would be a key point to the promotion and export of Japan's live performance industry? Do you reckon that you can help it anyway?

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シナなら無理、政府の審査は厳しい過ぎて、シナの主催者の質は非常に低く、競争もないし、シナでライブを見るより、日本で見る方がコスパ高い。

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这让我都知道你去看火锅2了

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哦，太君那没事了

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wdym?

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はい、ミリオンラブの話です、昨日のラブはすごく盛り上げですね。

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Ahhhhhh Hotpot…! I remember the live performance's concept!

そうですね、かなり盛り上がっていました。 個人的には、8月の765PRO ASのライブが楽しみです、何故ならば私はアニメアイドルマスターを観ていたので、彼女たち13人にはそれなりに強い思い入れを持つからです。

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前の時でいつもアイマスをやっていますね。凄いです。

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実は中国ではほかのアイドル団体はアイドルマスターより人気がある。現在の中国人知っているアイドル団体の代表はbanG Dream！です。それに比べて、アイマスは名前さえ知らないほどです。

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バンドリがあんなに長生きなのは、中国資本のおかげなんですね… 中国内地でのバンドリの影響力をもっと聞きたいです

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私はバンドリは見たことがないが、若い人のなかですごく人気がある。個人的には中国でファンが作った動画が作れた宣伝の効果が影響力だとお思います。

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ビリビリ動画などでは、バンドリのミームが流行っているわけですか 面白いですね

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ちなみに、担当のアイドルはどの子ですか。

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担当と呼べるほどではないですが、ふゆこみたいな娘は好みです

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シャイマスですね、自分はさくらぎまのが一番好きです。

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真乃ですか、いいセンスしていますね シャニマスのアニメはそこまで評判が良いわけではないですが、真乃ファンは観ても良いと思います。 やはり彼女が主人公なので

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分かる分かる、どの王道派の子も可愛いですね。

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You have to understand one thing, Japanese idol culture is an extension based on Japan's unique culture, which is why it fascinates people. The idol culture of other countries does not have the special temperament of Japanese idols, so few people are enthusiastic. Therefore, it is difficult to export idol culture because it is part of Japanese culture.

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Yeah, you are totally right.

Japan's idol subculture has evolved in a peculiar way, especially after it began to be combined with Japan's anime-oriented subculture/consumerism(アキバ系文化).

Its style might be (controversially) compared to personal cult. It's often said that Japanese idol fans share some kind of "closed bubble circle" where they have the same feeling of "me fostering that lovely/handsome but still immature idol". the sense of mutual growth, and buying goods can be likened to "tribute".

As opposed to this, other idol industries(especially K-pop) are just the export of excellency/expertise of performance, so they are forbidden to exhibit their amateurism.

Well, what I meant in OP was, how could we export and transplant this "personal cult" fan economy? though this style is very Japanese, its attractive power is still strong toward foreigners considering Vtubers' success.

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Humanity has worshiped idols since ancient times, thus giving birth to religions and Semitic monotheistic religions, namely Christianity, Islam, and Judaism. The Indo-European peoples gave birth to the polytheistic religions of Nordic mythology and Indian epics. This all involves idolatry. The influence of religion in atheistic society has declined, so the objects of people's idol worship have become celebrities, baseball players, and two-dimensional idols. Even communism, which claims to be materialistic and resists religious idol worship, is still worshiping idols. Lenin and Stalin are their idols.

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Yes, Mr. Mao, or 毛沢東猊下🇨🇳

And my hope is that our idols can fill the mental hollow of those in the big big biiig market of Mainland china so that we can earn more.😏

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The economic space for fans to export personality cults should be very small, with the three major religions occupying most of the attention. In a secular society, live broadcasters and short video producers in various small circles occupy space. They also have a fan economy of personal worship. In my personal opinion, two-dimensional idols will remain a niche circle in the future.

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I see. so your opinion is that 2D idols (including those whose voice actors and actresses play a grand theatre in real venues) don't attract so much share of the fan economy market compared to the others, right?

live broadcasters

After all, especially for penetrating China market, the knows-how's of Vtubers/Virtual broadcasters are useful. It might be helpful for 2d idols producers like Bushiroad and BandaiNamco to adopt China's unique and effective manners like live commerce in order to transplant themselves in Greater China Market(including southeastern asia), and optimise their revenue in Japan too.

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Today is a fragmented society, and various subcultures have their place, but it is difficult to expand.

The Greater China market is not as profitable as you might think, but it has a lot of troublemakers. Among the people who are attracted to Japanese idols, more than half of fans in China are 'メンヘラ'

If you want to expand your market share, it is better to go to Southeast Asia.

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more than half the fans are メンヘラ

lmao, this is one of the representations of China proper's 躺平族的 mentality(though in Japan the situations doesn't vary so much).

the Greater China's profitability isn't so high as I may think

oh really? yeah for sure China's per-capita purchase power is still lower than Japan and the West, so to benefit from the market, we have to sell to a lot of people, and what you refer to as risk may emerge…

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They have been educated in hatred for years, only one voice is allowed, and they are highly politically sensitive and permeate every aspect of daily life. You can imagine yourself as a foreigner in the 19th century trying to profit from foreign culture in Showa Japan. You will get into trouble for inexplicable things.

Just like in ancient Japan, foreigners were punished for looking directly into the eyes of nobles, which was considered an offense. It is difficult to circumvent many strange and ridiculous invisible rules. And most people in this forum are 非国民 in their eyes.

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Yeah, these kinds of cultural barriers are inevitable. as for service industry including contents one, this aspect is unnegiligible.

but I think there are some methods to counter it. look at Azurlane! it's so successful

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You have the temperament of Mishima Yukio who lives towards death.

It's brave but I think investing in Southeast Asia is the safe and wise way to do it. Good luck.

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東南アジア

Well, first of all, we've invested so much there, especially in manufacturing but recently also in contents industry(our Vtubers)

However, nowadays Chinese firms have been invading the region. with the influx of Chinese diaspora into the countries, they have been turning the land into the Much Greater Chinese market ruled by China proper's market principles and know-how's.

this is what I'm fretted with

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They know that the safest place is the bravest. In Southeast Asia, they will take care of the local people and not dare to show their strange and funny invisible rules. You can safely invest in the Chinese market in Southeast Asia without worrying about those hidden rules.

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the Chinese market in the Southeastern Asia

yeah, they are worthy of attention. They are relatively less strict and jiongoistic, and comparatively better off enough to buy our contents a lot.

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I can think of several major factors.

Anticipation of the potential audience, which decides which city (apart from the major cities, e.g., if in Taiwan, obviously the go-to is Taipei, then Taichung? or Kaohsiung?), which venue (capacity, location, fee), how アイドル文化 or particular series (e.g., 学園アイドルマスター) is accepted.

The desire for the company to explore overseas markets because expanding means more investment and more schedules for アイドル. Achieving balance is quite demanding.

アイドル is great, and it is very inspiring and exciting, fairly unique to Japanese お宅 culture, yet it is only a part of the industry, with great popularity among mostly Japaneseお宅. At the end of the day, at such a large scale (e.g., アイドルマスターシリーズ), it's all about business, and the corporations take the lead in every move.

There are some groups fairly active in Asian regions, バンドリ! Which is more like ガールズバンド instead of アイドル. Maybe due to a smaller scale, it's easier to conduct.

In contrast, there is one particular company that is not seemingly too willing to expand overseas. Every アイドルマスターシリーズ smartphone game is not available in other regions such as Australia and the USA. Fxcking Bandai Namico, can you just try to make them available in other regions? It is not like there are no people who can read Japanese outside of Japan. With a bit of reading and VPN, people can still register a JP Google account, but why bother?

Since most of the decisions are made by companies, we "consumers" can do little in terms of ライブ.

I can cope with online streams, even if I can't feel most of the atmosphere, I would say for a reasonable price, I can still get the most out of it. Since Australia is so far away from Japan. I'm very excited about 学園アイドルマスター, the first period live in May. It is so convenient for me and I believe lots of people, that it is possible to watch the live online.

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好起来了，润日sub引来了真太君

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ミミズような文字を書くな😤

ここはにっぽん、日本語だけがよい😤

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漢字為至極天朝字。仮名堕落。万人當尊敬漢字！

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